tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post5595630664147444682..comments2024-01-29T06:02:39.583-08:00Comments on Suzanne's Bookshelf: What happened to Junia?Suzanne McCarthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-42391371262308358072008-08-06T15:41:00.000-07:002008-08-06T15:41:00.000-07:00Another interesting fact about Romans 16 .... Alm...Another interesting fact about Romans 16 .... Almost everyone mentioned was a leader in ministry. They were either named as to their ministry or said to be co-workers in the gospel. A careful read in context also reveals that the most important (larger ministries) are spoken of first which was a common practice of the era. This would put Andronicus and junia to be very important team workers in the ministry of the gospel.<BR/><BR/>i've a list of everyone named with whatever i could dig up about them historically posted on the equalitycentral.com/forums under the Bible Study board. its the Romans Study and the near to last post i think. its an interesting read.believer333https://www.blogger.com/profile/03480546499577897857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-81664444921648990112008-08-05T11:22:00.000-07:002008-08-05T11:22:00.000-07:00Keep at it, Suzanne.Just keep at it...:)Keep at it, Suzanne.<BR/>Just keep at it...<BR/>:)Bill Heromanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-90929895439356192312008-08-05T10:59:00.000-07:002008-08-05T10:59:00.000-07:00This is why I cannot recommend the ESV or the NET ...This is why I cannot recommend the ESV or the NET Bibles. Not only do they include this very irregular translation of Roamns 16:7 but they don't even bother to defend their translation in a scholarly way. They don't need to because they are feeding people's natural desire to subordinate women.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06492732201892249157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-30689646380489394462008-08-05T09:00:00.000-07:002008-08-05T09:00:00.000-07:00Sombody else gets it. I saw this in the comments s...Sombody else gets it. I saw this in the comments section by Dr. Dennis Swift:<BR/><BR/>http://jensgems.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/women-in-ministry/#comments<BR/><BR/>"Wallace does not deny that Junia is a woman. He cannot slip out of the fact that she was a woman. Wallace tries a very unique usage of Greek grammar that is not endorsed by Greek scholars of whom Wallace is not noted by or outstanding among them.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, he conveniently leapfrogs over 1293 years of texts, miniscules, translations, including a patriarchal favorite, KJV that says Junia was “outstanding among the apostles”. Whoever translated it “by the apostles” or “with the apostles” for 1890 years–no one–Wallace has a very novel invented usage of the Greek.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if some of this doesn’t come on the heels of the Southern Baptist Conventions thundering proclamation against women in the ministry at the 1998 meeting. Wallace teaches at Dallas Theological Seminary.<BR/><BR/>Bauckham and Belleville gave a scholarly critique of Wallace’s article that caused him to lapse into a profound and prolonged silence-a deafening silence! They convincingly exposed his flawed research and demonstrated that Andronicus and Junia in Paul’s description were outstanding apostles.(3)<BR/><BR/>Nice try, Wallace, but I’m not ready to ignore 1293 years of the Patristic Fathers’ writings, translations, and modern translations until the 1890’s. They were conclusive, “outstanding among the apostles”.Lindonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12655601618953971431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-53172617387536982532008-08-05T07:54:00.000-07:002008-08-05T07:54:00.000-07:00"When will the general public realize that much of..."When will the general public realize that much of the Bible scholarship on women in the Bible has little credibility?"<BR/><BR/>Sue, We realize it more and more as you point it out. You do a great service and have taught many of us quite a bit. <BR/><BR/>you might be interested in this response to a refutation about Junia being an apostle:<BR/><BR/>http://jensgems.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/gaffe-goof-and-a-guffaw/Lindonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12655601618953971431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-9514221866533869892008-08-05T07:20:00.000-07:002008-08-05T07:20:00.000-07:00Not soon enough, I fear. Listen to some of the sta...Not soon enough, I fear. <BR/>Listen to some of the statements of our church "fathers" and it is no wonder the views are so skewed.<BR/><BR/>Statements Supporting Misogyny<BR/><BR/>You (woman) are the devil’s gateway. You so easily destroyed God’s image, men. Tertullian (140-230 AD)<BR/><BR/>Woman together with her husband is in the image of God… but when she’s referred to separately, then she is not the image of God. St. Augustine (354-430 AD)<BR/><BR/>Man is the beginning and end of woman, just as God is the beginning and end of every creature. St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274 AD)<BR/><BR/>“A woman is not fully the master of herself.” “When Katie gets saucy, she gets nothing but a box on the ear.” [Katie was his wife]<BR/>Martin Luther (1483-1546 AD)<BR/><BR/>We do not find ourselves permitted by the Word of God to advice a woman to leave her husband… not even when he beats her. John Calvin (1509-1564 AD)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com