tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post8820098662625753324..comments2024-01-29T06:02:39.583-08:00Comments on Suzanne's Bookshelf: A sermon on marriageSuzanne McCarthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-54896054777589675782008-09-08T19:40:00.000-07:002008-09-08T19:40:00.000-07:00If I were going to an episcopalian church in Vanco...<I>If I were going to an episcopalian church in Vancouver I'd be ready to write a letter to the bishop charging that preacher with heresy. But that's me. I've been called direct, brash, harsh and/or blunt more than once.</I><BR/><BR/>This church is now under the bishop of the Southern Cone, so strictly speaking it is in Vancouver, but it no longer belongs to the diocese here.<BR/><BR/>Not that they are much better in their way. It is not a pretty sight all around.Suzanne McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-88004597764696869032008-09-08T17:48:00.000-07:002008-09-08T17:48:00.000-07:00Sigh. I've heard this so many times, from so many...Sigh. I've heard this so many times, from so many well-intentioned preachers. I'm starting a series on marriage next Sunday--won't be taking ideas from this one. :-(Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-20519732650506216992008-09-08T14:42:00.000-07:002008-09-08T14:42:00.000-07:00I too worry about possible 'worldly indignation' b...I too worry about possible 'worldly indignation' but it's just that I have heard this now so many times. It is depressing as Jane describes. I empathise hugely with the feelings of the postee before me. There is this incredibly frustrating feeling and also one of - maybe I can do something - we must I think leave it in God's hands and yet also not be frightened about voicing our concerns - I hope I'm not just trying to justify my own actions in the parish I broke away from - it's just that once you come across this stuff, it doesn't seem to be one of those things that you can just forget about and leave to someone else to worry about. I know a few women now for whom there is a real feeling of pain, when they see the Bible and the God they love with their whole hearts being spun in such a way. <BR/>Exploring and healing at Re vis.e Re form - love from Rachel.Rev R Marszalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-81105777040994567672008-09-07T03:54:00.000-07:002008-09-07T03:54:00.000-07:00Suzanne,Marriage is like the trinity, The Father i...Suzanne,<BR/><BR/><I>Marriage is like the trinity, The Father is in charge. Jesus ALWAYS submits to the father, he obeys, he says what his father has told him to say, Jesus sees the father in the trinity as the head, and he obeys him.</I><BR/><BR/>As far as I can tell this fellow is teaching something that is contrary to what the church, after Nicea, has always accepted as the true relationship between the Father and the Son, i.e., that they have one will. It is only when wills are opposed that there is any need for submission. If two persons have different wills then the Father and the Son cannot be said to be one.<BR/><BR/>If I were going to an episcopalian church in Vancouver I'd be ready to write a letter to the bishop charging that preacher with heresy. But that's me. I've been called direct, brash, harsh and/or blunt more than once. <BR/><BR/>Do you think there would be any point in taking these people on through the clerical courts? And if not, why not?<BR/><BR/>I don't want to put you on the spot but I'm really cranky about this and, at the same time, worried that my crankiness is just worldly indignation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-27513089192855790922008-09-04T15:08:00.000-07:002008-09-04T15:08:00.000-07:00Oh my Suzanne, I found that so depressing ... but...Oh my Suzanne, I found that so depressing ... but thansk for posting nevertheless...<BR/>I preached at a wedding last week - it was such a joyous, loving and sensuous event, the couple were both Christians (this is very rare in my ministry) and churchgoers. <BR/>Do couples need a complementarian lecture on their wedding day (or an egalitarian one for that matter. TElling people what they should not do - even in a relatively jocular and joking tone - and that God has set higher standards than they may know how to keep doesn't show a great deal of pastoral sensitivity.<BR/>Weddings are about a celebration of love and commitment - allowing us a small glimpse of God's love, commitment and covenant with us.<BR/>If we reduce the gospel to simplistic ethical code what is it we are bearing witness to? Not Christ I fear.Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04405344181636487394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-15743005016710107262008-09-04T13:38:00.000-07:002008-09-04T13:38:00.000-07:00"It is so shameful when you go to other cultures w..."It is so shameful when you go to other cultures where the gospel is not preached, women are sold. they are treated like objects. "<BR/><BR/>Hunh?!? As if sex trafficking and the objectification of women did not happen in North America. The gospel is preached here, and these things happen here too. <BR/><BR/>KatherineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-35967956325332674982008-09-04T00:12:00.000-07:002008-09-04T00:12:00.000-07:00Since when did gender equality or divorce become t...Since when did gender equality or divorce become the unforgivable sin? I must have the wrong edition of the the Bible.<BR/><BR/>How do such pastors think their flock can learn to practice love when they show so little from the pulpit?<BR/><BR/>I haven't got the right answer to these problems but I can tell when the other fellow has a wrong answer.<BR/><BR/>Chuck GranthamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-51702663639984178712008-09-03T20:24:00.000-07:002008-09-03T20:24:00.000-07:00I have heard that same sermon many times.I have heard that same sermon many times.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.com