tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post1807405655812533960..comments2024-01-29T06:02:39.583-08:00Comments on Suzanne's Bookshelf: Aner: either male or femaleSuzanne McCarthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-42177076895263530022009-11-14T18:01:17.428-08:002009-11-14T18:01:17.428-08:00Indeed! How could one have a good philosophical di...Indeed! How could one have a good philosophical discussion without a glass of wine and a female escort? It just isn't done!<br /><br />One must not forget why Zeus brought women upon us <i>andres</i> in the first place! Are they distinct from us? Yes... and no.<br /><br />...what did I have in mind by <i>aner</i> when I wrote Laws? It's been centuries... I've forgotten. Did I have women in mind? Ah, yes. As a male, I always did. And lo! I can say little for my fellow Greeks. All too many were more interested in other men...The Ghost of Platonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-39493437498199118872009-09-17T16:50:11.203-07:002009-09-17T16:50:11.203-07:00This seems an obvious use for "citizen:"...This seems an obvious use for "citizen:"<br /><br />But some citizens joined him in believing, among them both Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris--and others with them.The White Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732782601569135839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-6474754184206939022009-09-16T13:17:34.536-07:002009-09-16T13:17:34.536-07:00Damaris, that is it.
ISV Act 17:34 Some men (and...Damaris, that is it.<br /><br />ISV Act 17:34 Some men (andres) joined him and became believers. With them were Dionysius, who was a member of the Areopagus, a woman named Damaris, and some others along with them.<br /><br />The point is the natural reading is that Damaris in an aner/man and therefore aner is sometimes inclusive but this can be cloaked in various ways if the translators do not believe this is even possible.<br /><br />DonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-83163543581729491432009-09-15T14:01:14.606-07:002009-09-15T14:01:14.606-07:00This one is a keeper! ThanksThis one is a keeper! ThanksLydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-23316084693166214302009-09-15T11:43:42.702-07:002009-09-15T11:43:42.702-07:00Don,
Maybe there's another example you're...Don,<br /><br />Maybe there's another example you're remembering. But...<br /><br />Acts 17:34 reads:<br /><br />Τινὲς δὲ ἄνδρες κολληθέντες αὐτῷ, ἐπίστευσαν· ἐν οἷς καὶ Διονύσιος ὁ Ἀρεοπαγίτης καὶ γυνὴ ὀνόματι Δάμαρις καὶ ἕτεροι σὺν αὐτοῖς.<br /><br />ESV translates:<br /><br />But some men joined him and believed, among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them.<br /><br />Ann Nyland translates:<br /><br />Certain of the ladies and gentlemen to whom he was speaking believed, among whom especially were Dionysus a member of the Areopagos and the woman by the name of Damaris; and others, together with them.<br /><br />Nyland's footnotes on this v:<br /><br />τινὲς δὲ ἄνδρες, <i>tines de andres</i>. ἀνήρ, <i>aner</i>, was commonly a term of formal respect referring to both genders.<br /><br />It was not unusual for women to be present at philosophical discussions, and indeed, Hetairai are well known for their presence at symposiums.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-44141638540034182892009-09-15T10:58:24.159-07:002009-09-15T10:58:24.159-07:00I think a NT woman is called an aner, but I cannot...I think a NT woman is called an aner, but I cannot recall who. I know the ESV translates away from the primary meaning to cloak this.<br /><br />DonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-85160271540025736372009-09-15T09:34:19.473-07:002009-09-15T09:34:19.473-07:00Sue, if you want some more Hellenistic examples, r...Sue, if you want some more Hellenistic examples, read through 1 Sam 2 in the LXX.Mike Aubreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04335768638306462369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-5649554332632051532009-09-15T07:43:56.929-07:002009-09-15T07:43:56.929-07:00Kurk,
Excellent posts. I hope readers will follow...Kurk,<br /><br />Excellent posts. I hope readers will follow up on these links. I will write more tonight.Suzanne McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-66964027634142870012009-09-15T06:26:54.056-07:002009-09-15T06:26:54.056-07:00The list is impressive. Plato's Laws 6. 770d ...The list is impressive. Plato's Laws 6. 770d is a most excellent example! <br /><br />There's a similar discussion going on <a href="http://goddidntsaythat.com/2009/09/14/on-translation-and-explanation/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://speakeristic.blogspot.com/2009/09/of-sheep-and-men-overlooking-wordplay.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=1413" rel="nofollow">here</a>.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-65937602840085003112009-09-15T05:32:04.357-07:002009-09-15T05:32:04.357-07:00Thanks for this great list, Sue. I hope it is okay...Thanks for this great list, Sue. I hope it is okay if I post it as an update on my entry.Alan Bandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09631479580408195078noreply@blogger.com