tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post4397238010972025526..comments2024-01-29T06:02:39.583-08:00Comments on Suzanne's Bookshelf: Heiser and HobbinsSuzanne McCarthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-34325771901979803872011-02-24T21:16:09.841-08:002011-02-24T21:16:09.841-08:00Suzanne,
You have a gift for dialogue which I do ...Suzanne,<br /><br />You have a gift for dialogue which I do not possess. I would last about 5 minutes with those guys. They fear you because more and more people are beginning to see that their patriarchal tradition is really an emperor with no clothes.Muff Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746245783839640804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-46647601353244501792011-02-24T13:47:29.401-08:002011-02-24T13:47:29.401-08:00I have bowed out of the exchange because things go...I have bowed out of the exchange because things got too heated between Heiser and myself. But honestly, I can't stand someone claiming to be "comfortable" with a view that creates difficulties for others which they themselves will never have to deal with.<br /><br />One point, though, if you continue to engage him, Suzanne. He wants a clear exegetical argument for female ordination. I have never found a clear exegetical basis for the type of priesthood Heiser seems to assume still applies in the New Covenant. If that kind of priesthood still applied, he might have a point. But the NT speaks only of all Christians being "a kingdom of priests," without any exception made for the female sex.<br /><br />So before he denies any exegetical basis for female priests, he needs to give exegetical support for an exclusive priesthood of any kind in the New Covenant.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-78420640653967519362011-02-24T00:12:47.064-08:002011-02-24T00:12:47.064-08:00Muff,
Mike and I have had a positive email exchan...Muff,<br /><br />Mike and I have had a positive email exchange. I don't predict such things. Even though I find complementarianism to be repugnant, I have had very friendly exchanges with some complementarian bloggers - quite a few actually.Suzanne McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-45157082300750730602011-02-23T13:19:29.000-08:002011-02-23T13:19:29.000-08:00Suzanne,
Heiser has no intention of interacting w...Suzanne,<br /><br />Heiser has no intention of interacting with you. His job is maintaining a gender policy that has been law since Constantine and the Nicene Fathers.<br /><br />If he interacts with you, he risks having to make statements that are no longer neutral and can no longer guarantee him mugwump status.Muff Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746245783839640804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-23184372083728283132011-02-22T21:08:39.990-08:002011-02-22T21:08:39.990-08:00It is very peculiar to me that with regards to wom...It is very peculiar to me that with regards to women having to fight complementarian attitudes, Mike says,<br /><br />"I say to the woman who feel called that she should not be deterred by such things."<br /><br />And yet he sides with the group that is holding her down, even while telling her not to be deterred by it. That's just -- odd.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-42501578293447882142011-02-22T11:21:30.782-08:002011-02-22T11:21:30.782-08:00It is the fact that he is so "comfortable&quo...It is the fact that he is so "comfortable" that bothers me. I have sent him this message:<br /><br /><i>All that I desire from you is that you not be so “comfortable” in your position, understanding that though it causes you no hardship, that position does cause real hardship to countless others. If you want to continue to hold the complementarian position, you are free to do so– but please understand the cost and hold it becauce you are fully convinced, not because it’s comfortable to stay there.</i><br /><br />Right now, he is insulted that I also called him "privileged." Anyone born male is privileged-- particularly within Christianity. I'm hoping he will see that.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.com