tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post5250998024751018797..comments2024-01-29T06:02:39.583-08:00Comments on Suzanne's Bookshelf: My prophecy on Peter Kirk's blog came true ...Suzanne McCarthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-64258816555307451332011-07-05T06:45:50.492-07:002011-07-05T06:45:50.492-07:00Am I the first female commenter on this thread?
I...Am I the first female commenter on this thread?<br /><br /><i>I feel that a woman should not read the Biblical Studies Carnival. -Suzanne</i><br /><br />Never ever read it even once! :D<br />Didn't even know it existed until this minute. (Thanks be to the Lord for his mercy...)<br /><br />I don't think its necessarily a bad thing that these competing "authority figures" have rejected all the NIV's. NIV has never been my favorite translation. The dynamic equivalence method makes too many interpretational decisions. And I have not found any modern translation (including the TNIV!) which I think handles the passive indicative grammar of the <i>hupotasso</i> in Ephesians 5:24 respectfully (<a href="http://hupotasso.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/%E2%80%9Cwives-are-subject-to-their-own-husbands-in-everything%E2%80%9D-ephesians-524/" rel="nofollow">link</a>). <br /><br />I always check Young's Literal Translation and often find it a breath of fresh air. And the KJV on biblegateway at least brackets words which translators have added to the Greek so one knows to take them with a grain of salt.<br /><br />The translation wars are good in that they may encourage people to look deeper and question some of the things the English translation in front of them seems to be saying.Charishttp://hupotasso.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-61088125493852913262011-07-05T06:39:54.792-07:002011-07-05T06:39:54.792-07:00Just realised that Blogger hasn't picked up a ...Just realised that Blogger hasn't picked up a link back to <a href="http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/3917/niv-2011-denny-burk-condemns-it-most-are-lukewarm/" rel="nofollow">my post in response to this</a>. I know Suzanne saw my post, but others following this may not have.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-38056753490267353472011-07-04T18:11:27.593-07:002011-07-04T18:11:27.593-07:00It was only in 1995 that the SBC got around to con...It was only in <a href="http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=899" rel="nofollow">1995</a> that the SBC got around to condemning slavery and apologizing to African-Americans. <br /><br />So, perhaps in 130 years, SBC will be able to realize that its Scriptures apply to women also.Theophrastushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981876713019298465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-44458444691338432682011-07-04T17:01:24.341-07:002011-07-04T17:01:24.341-07:00I feel comfortable reporting what someone else has...I feel comfortable reporting what someone else has said but I do not feel comfortable speculating on why they have said it or in any way discussing their personality. I hope you take this kindly but I felt the need to delete a couple of comments.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13050325763708171253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-56878585953582391762011-07-04T05:56:15.768-07:002011-07-04T05:56:15.768-07:00My take is John H. defies labels and is in his own...My take is John H. defies labels and is in his own group, confusing most of us.Donald Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904992652259586383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-4826438941159375552011-07-03T07:58:20.236-07:002011-07-03T07:58:20.236-07:00No, I was not referring to John Hobbins, who is no...No, I was not referring to John Hobbins, who is not a complementarian. I was predicting CBMW's rejection of the NIV 2011. <br /><br />I guess you are right that the masculine generic has been long gone for these men.<br /><br />Kurk,<br /><br />A great post. I was not aware of what Selma had written.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13050325763708171253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-56230583467927900352011-07-03T07:15:05.080-07:002011-07-03T07:15:05.080-07:00I have now read the first few pages. And the issue...I have now read the first few pages. And the issues are clear. Denny Burk was brought up first on KJV then on NIV 1984. But he was growing up in a 1990s (I estimate) America in which "man" and "he" were rarely used in gender generic senses. So when he read these words in KJV then NIV he misunderstood them as gender specific and so adopted a faulty and heretical theology (similar to Grudem's and perhaps Piper's) of male headship. He now feels threatened by any attempts to correct or improve his theology, hence his savage attacks on TNIV and NIV 2011.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-70089149445166480332011-07-03T07:05:00.361-07:002011-07-03T07:05:00.361-07:00Understood, Thy Peace, and thanks for the working ...Understood, Thy Peace, and thanks for the working link. But this doesn't exactly contribute to the trustworthiness of CBMW.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-28374683595104196092011-07-03T06:25:32.547-07:002011-07-03T06:25:32.547-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-82775156020236086632011-07-03T06:03:06.569-07:002011-07-03T06:03:06.569-07:00even Firefox tells me "This Connection is Unt...<i>even Firefox tells me "This Connection is Untrusted"!</i><br /><br />The link was a https link. And CBMW SSL cert has expired as of Jan 25th.<br /><br />One can also access the link by regular http, <a href="http://www.cbmw.org/images/articles_pdf/jbmw%20spring%20%5C%2711%2016.burk%20only.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-84715089081108218152011-07-03T04:20:36.548-07:002011-07-03T04:20:36.548-07:00Thank you, Suzanne, for the mention and the link. ...Thank you, Suzanne, for the mention and the link. You are indeed a prophet concerning John Hobbins, but then I could also have predicted that he would reject NIV 2011. You are not a prophet concerning Denny Burk as I had already mentioned his reaction in my post. And someone managed to stir up enough SBC delegates against NIV 2011 to pass a snap resolution against the better judgment of the convention organisers - a resolution which will probably be ignored. By contrast, <a href="http://betterbibles.com/2011/07/01/wisconsin-evangelical-lutherans-endorse-niv-2011/" title="Wisconsin Evangelical Lutherans endorse NIV 2011 « Better Bibles Blog" rel="nofollow">WELS</a> looks likely to accept NIV 2011.<br /><br />But the negative reaction I see looks mild compared with what was said against TNIV. Have big guns like Piper and Grudem come out strongly against NIV 2011? If so I have not seen anything - and if you had I am sure you would have linked to it. CBMW have left it to Burk to respond on this one. And when I <a href="https://www.cbmw.org/images/articles_pdf/jbmw%20spring%20%5C%2711%2016.burk%20only.pdf" rel="nofollow">try to download his paper</a>, even Firefox tells me "This Connection is Untrusted"!Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-82090524018832572272011-07-03T03:37:47.721-07:002011-07-03T03:37:47.721-07:00Right, Rod!
Suzanne, You say:
"I was espe...Right, Rod!<br /><br />Suzanne, You say: <br /><br />"I was especially disappointed to find the Biblical Studies Carnival link favourably to a negative post on the NIV 2011."<br /><br />And I also say:<br /><br />"I was especially disappointed to find this particular Biblical Studies Carnival linked to no post, not even one, written by a woman."J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-41875828338008604662011-07-02T21:39:08.188-07:002011-07-02T21:39:08.188-07:00It's also time to promote gender equality in t...It's also time to promote gender equality in the biblio-blogosphere as well.Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847912389789698622noreply@blogger.com