tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post92999597939941220..comments2024-01-29T06:02:39.583-08:00Comments on Suzanne's Bookshelf: Head of the houseSuzanne McCarthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-68813251637172550652008-03-27T01:35:00.000-07:002008-03-27T01:35:00.000-07:00Okay, I see now. I hadn't read the Similitude pas...Okay, I see now. I hadn't read the Similitude passage. Your overall direction makes sense to me, so far as the passage goes. Especially as to what we cannot conclude from it. <BR/><BR/>My parallel with Romans was as much to see what Ephesians could say to how we read Romans as vice-versa. Some want to read Romans 13 as if there were no exceptions. There clearly must be, though. We either have to frame a strict idea of legitimate rule or just say there are exceptions. (And where will we find the description of the strict idea of legitimate rule? It seems better to me to say you have an exception when the situation cannot be read into the passage without laughing. Try reading "Hitler" in Romans 13 where it reads "authority.") Likewise with any submission in Ephesians.solarbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17506179756577015681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-42266557376314041742008-03-26T15:34:00.000-07:002008-03-26T15:34:00.000-07:00RI see that Romans 13 does mention authority and s...RI see that Romans 13 does mention authority and submission. However, the passages from Clement mention submission, both in the context of authority AND in the context of mutuality or Christian brotherhood. The mention of submission for one person does not entail authority for the other. <BR/><BR/>I agree that one ought to submit to authority. However, today, mother and father are equally the authority for their children in law. The husband is not in law the authority over the wife. This is highly significant in law, in cases of illness or crime and responsibility or financial responsibility. The scriptures cannot make the man solely responsible for the finances whether we like it or not. <BR/><BR/>So, I think we have to be realistic about this and say that, either something is being said about gender and the sameness of man and woman as a species, OR that whoever is financially responsible (man or woman) deserves respect. You cannot make a male responsible because of his gender.Suzanne McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033350578895908993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-65910880482827376412008-03-26T15:19:00.000-07:002008-03-26T15:19:00.000-07:00The language of Ephesians 5 has some parallels in ...The language of Ephesians 5 has some parallels in Romans 13. They might be read side-by-side, with possible renderings and implications of one influencing or limiting possible renderings and implications of the other.<BR/><BR/>And Matthew 28:18 must be kept in mind in any discussion of authority.solarbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17506179756577015681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19505042.post-33979029632252290312008-02-26T09:00:00.000-08:002008-02-26T09:00:00.000-08:00Suzanne,I'm inclined to think that it would probab...Suzanne,<BR/><BR/>I'm inclined to think that it would probably deface the dog more so.<BR/><BR/>In general, (and of course there are always exceptions)wolves and canines are more civilized than men.Greg Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165026355782861827noreply@blogger.com