Monday, December 14, 2009

An interesting definition

This definition of egalitarianism appeared in the sidebar of Parchment and Pen on Dec. 3, during the debate on that blog,

"Theological position held by many Christians (contra complementarianism) believing the Bible does not teach that women are in any sense, functionally or ontologically, subservient to men. Women and men hold positions in society, ministry, and the family according to their gifts, not their gender. The principle of mutual submission teaches that husbands and wives are to submit to each other equally. Prominent egalitarians include Doug Groothuis, Ruth Tucker, William Webb, Gorden Fee, and Linda Belleville."

This is from the doctrinal statement of DTS,

"We believe that divine, enabling gifts for service are bestowed by the Spirit upon all who are saved. While there is a diversity of gifts, each believer is energized by the same Spirit, and each is called to his own divinely appointed service as the Spirit may will. In the apostolic church there were certain gifted men—apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers—who were appointed by God for the perfecting of the saints unto their work of the ministry. We believe also that today some men are especially called of God to be evangelists, pastors and teachers, and that it is to the fulfilling of His will and to His eternal glory that these shall be sustained and encouraged in their service for God (Rom. 12:6; 1 Cor. 12:4–11; Eph. 4:11)."


Rod said...

Interesting. :)

Christiane said...

People forget.
Or maybe they never ’saw it’.
A highly respected and favored person was given a choice to cooperate with the Incarnation.
A CHOICE, out of respect.

And being ‘full of grace’ and unafraid, the respected person said
‘be in done unto me according to Thy Will’

An assent.
No ‘domination’ from an ‘Authority’ was used at all.
People forget.
Or maybe they never ’saw it’.
Or maybe it didn’t matter to them?

‘the spirit of domination’ was not present at the Incarnation

There exists a beautiful icon, in which Mary, pregnant with the Messiah, gently embraces and comforts a weeping Eve.

How little we understand.

Anonymous said...

oops i see why it didnt publish
i am tooooo much of a character hog
was over my 4096 characters..
will cuttin in half make it right

perhaps i need a nom de blog
and since the first stuff i came across and also commented on
just a bit ago had to do with adam and eve
for now perhaps the nom de blog du
adam eve u c

i dont right know
ifn you approach the issue of the weaker vessel
by way of this particulat symbolic interpretation
the only other christian denomination that i know of that does
i think be the quakers...

namely this...
the female is symbolic of the subconscious mind or receptive mind or heart mind IN BOTH SEXES..

but now as to the logic as to why it be the weaker of the two...

since there be a new movie out
on sherlock holmes

i shall say actually dr watson
it is very elementary...

why the receptive mind is weaker
but essential..
well it is programmed by the individual mainly in terms of its conscious mind actions and choices..
thus in that sense it has the greater power over the subconscious mind...

but now say the conscious mind choses sind then it gives up some of its power to the subconscious mind by now having a content it does not want to confess and admit to...

and negative entities know then the weak spot in the soul is thru the woman or those elements of the repressed things by the ego that it does not understand coz it does not want to confess its sins and guilt...

thus eve was first approached...
john gill in his bible commentary has some interesting thoughts on this...but only partially right...
sigh he never broke the concealed code of the glories of god..see proverbs 25.... having to do with such as reincarnation..

Anonymous said...

continuation of previous comment

and thus this way of interpreting romans chapter 1

Rom 1:21 because they knew God, and did not glorify him and give thanks to him as God, but became vain in their imaginings, and their unwise heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 And, while they thought within themselves that they were wise, they became fools.
Rom 1:23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into a likeness to the image of a corruptible man, and into the likeness of birds and quadrupeds and reptiles on the earth.
Rom 1:24 For this cause, God gave them up to the filthy lusts of their heart, to dishonor their bodies with them.
Rom 1:25 And they changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the created things, much more than the Creator of them, to whom belong glory and blessing, for ever and ever: Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause, God gave them up to vile passions: for their females changed the use of their natures, and employed that which is unnatural.
Rom 1:27 And so also their males forsook the use of females, which is natural, and burned with lust toward one another; and, male with male, they did what is shameful, and received in themselves the just recompense of their error.

Rom 1:26 For this cause, God gave them up to vile passions: for their females changed the use of their natures, and employed that which is unnatural.
Rom 1:27 And so also their males forsook the use of females, which is natural, and burned with lust toward one another; and, male with male, they did what is shameful, and received in themselves the just recompense of their error.

WHEN SIN PROGRESSES TO A CERTAIN STAGE..the consequences are such that the natural function of the conscience of the heart as given by god becomes blocked and shut down to such a degree that on one's own a sinner is highly unlikely to be able to regain what it caused to be lost..and it needs a jump start ... ah how that plays out with the first adam and last adam and the incarnaitions of jesus in between... edgar cayce has some pretty good info on such...
well oh wait

the trinity individual eternal conscious souls as sons of god and when up to snuff all equal co creators under god the father and since they have full consciousnessl...the better term is sons of god and thus all humans souls are destined upon conviction of their sins and repentance and being fully taught by the holy spirit to become sons of god ...

holy spirit be god the mother
and is when a souls desires are to consider the needs of others before one's own and does according as it the will of god the father... that is when one manifests the will of god the father is a true nurturer in the spirit of st francis:)

so in brief i guess
god the father as an aspect
of the superconscious eternal unchanging principles
and not some one individual

god the sons ..individual eternal individual soul entities..animal souls tho they reincarnate are not eternal like human souls that will one day judge the angels...
on this matter i will let the angels speak for themselves:)

and the holy spirit
a souls record of its expression of heartfelt true nuturing of others..which when called for in luke 17:3 will rebuke others to help bring them to repentance..

hmmm okay that should do it for now

does snaggletooth the cartoon lion
here music for stage left

hmmm i hear it ..i think :)

Anonymous said...

part 3
in a row
of a kinda new poster to this blog...

whom i have dubbed with the nom de blog of ae

so now about symbolic aspects biblically of man woman
where they are aspects of the same person male as active conscious mind and female as receptive subconscious or heart mind...

the soul in old testament is said to be in the blood.....the heart...

and the spirit in the flesh...where there is active muscle that responds more to conscious mind commands ....

thus the connection one's exercise of muscle or conscious mind is a major factor in the health of the heart and blood....
the habit or subconscioius mind..

but i dont think i mentioned yet
that women do have a tendency to be stronger in the untilization of accessing the subconscious mind intutitions and men tend to be better at organaizing thought on a conscious level...

please note tend:)
as in there can be various reasons for shifts...some of them willful and out of balance and some of them the balancing of the spirit by maturing in the word... 2 blocks i think the bible points out to maturing to being fully one in the mind of christ are remants of the carnal mindedness and remnants of the soulish man or mindedness the kjv natural man sometimes translated as ...

jessie penn-lewis had written and interesting book on this that is online ... SOUL AND SPIRIT...

WELL okay guess that is main thing i wanted to add:)

over and out for now